[winterwolf64]

[JohnnyBeGood]

Hi Winterwolf,

Of course I can have it both ways the American Government is an EVIL horrible monster but in the same breath the American people that I have met are "nice." Now I am not saying that all Americans are nice, every society has its element of good and bad people.

You state that America is a Democracy, but is it really democratic?
If you don't have millions of dollars to fund your campaign you cannot even get into the presidential race (This is not really democratic).
It is true that you get the opportunity to then vote these selected candidates into power. But at the end of the day it is all dependent upon who counts the votes as to what results you get.

The wealthy people of this world select who their little puppets are going to be and they also make sure that they win the presidential race to ensure that they keep control of the true power of the world.

Don't forget "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"


You state that "I also find your other view cynical and inaccurate"

Cynical - believing that people are motivated purely by self-interest. Yes I do, everyone within the world has their own interests at heart.

Inaccurate - well that depends on what you class as being accurate. Some information presented to you by the Wealthy people of this world who control the media machines or having the ability to be able to read between the lines of lies that they present to you.
I always try to ensure that I have the correct details otherwise it would be a complete waste of my time entering into a debate.


You also state that you do not want to "enter an interminable debate about such issues."

Why?

If I do nothing more than make you question all the lies that we are constantly bombarded with then surely it will serve a purpose.

To anyone who reads this please question all of the news items that you are constantly bombarded with as most of them are distortions of the truth.

Many years ago my Grandfather reffered to the newspapers as "The Penny Liars".
The same holds true today except that they charge you a lot more now for the same old garbage.
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[Reeely_Mad]

I like this thread because it shows how society works first you have the initiate aka JohnnyBeGood then you have the advocate who in this thread has been played by Irishpyro.

Now my point is, in almost every area of study there exists the public account. the story (or explanation) that is distributed to the general masses by whatever ruling power (remember history is written by the winners) and then there are the facts. what i always find interesting is how, when someone tries to speak of a version that differs from what one may have heard, they immediately try to defend that version of reality that they are used to without even knowing why, I have seen this sort of discussion all over the web (and had a few myself) but i always marvel at the way people who havent studied a certain area are still quick to argue with someone who has just because it doesnt sound right to them.

there are many lies in history - my advice is dont be so quick to deny what you hear. if its interesting enough to argue about then it is interesting enough to research (we all have heard of google - and that other place the library)

From what I have learned the american government had already agreed to help the english in the second world war before pearl harbor happened but (and this is the crazy part) the american public didnt want a war. so having heard that their post on pearl harbor was going to be attacked they sat back and allowed it so that the people of america would be upset and of course demand war. (does this sound a little like a more recent event.... hmm no I cant quite place it, I thought I was on the verge of a breakthrough, .... but no).

I did of course derive humour from an unlikely source to quote

[JohnnyBeGood]

Hi Reeely_Mad,

I like your quote "remember history is written by the winners" "and then there are the facts"

The governments of this world play with us like little toys for their own amusement. They feed us their lies and expect us all to fall in line.

WW2 was a complete set-up right from the start, as has the war on Iraq etc.

Now that Israel have been blowing the Lebanon to bits in its attempt to destroy Hizbollah and the rest of the world is objecting. Bush and Blair come up with another smoke screen to allow the atrocities to continue.
(These terrorist attacks on the UK and US airports.)

America has funded Israel.
The financial aid alone that Israel receives from the US allows it to purchase tanks, helicopter gunships, F-16 war planes, machine guns and bullets – all of which it uses to commit human rights violations against the Palestinian people on a daily basis.
Military power is required for Israel to maintain its occupation of the Palestinian territories, implemented through a system of expanding settlements, checkpoints and closure. It is therefore no exaggeration to say that the US is funding and supplying the Israeli government’s occupation of the Palestinian territories, as without financial subsidies from the US, the Israeli government would have found it considerably more difficult to sustain its military occupation of the Palestinian territories for the past thirty-four years.

What is the underlying aim of the American government?
Oil, a Jewish homeland, a war with Iran?
There are so many possibilities where do we start?

As you said "there are many lies in history "
but every day we are bombarded with media lies which then become tomorrows history lies.
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[MSX2]

I like cultures that have mysteriosly vanished to thin air. They are very mysterious.

[laserforce]

I am begining my grade 12 school year henceforth I am here to discuss the classics I find them quite amusing. Thanks for your time and I wish to improve my classical latin skills, differential/intregal calculus and other language arts with you.

[rainbow]

my favorite period of history in ancient
I love reading about all ancient cultures and they way people lived then

[nightstocker]

My favorite part of history would have to be during the early part of the 20th century. I wish I could go back to that time.

[RogueMagneto]

I think we should all look back to the great civilizations of the past, particularly the technologically advanced ones. They can help us learn how not to follow in their footsteps and destroy ourselves.

Yes, I believe that we have reached a technological stage comparable to today. But time erases everything...with the power we now have, it would be all too easy to reduce the world to stone-age living within a generation or two. In fact, from looking at the fragments of ancient tales, that may be exactly what happened before.

If there were a world war today and all the major cities were destroyed, how long would it be till our remaining technology wore out and there was no longer anyone who remembered how to re-make it? We have so many things built by machines nowadays, and our products are made to sell fast and burn out so customers come back for more. Are we setting ourselves up for disaster with that mode of thinking? Most of our technology is extremely fragile, so our electronic information, especially, is constantly a breath away from disappearing.

One thing is agreed upon in all of the tales and our limited "modern" knowledge of history:
No civilization is invincible. The greatest can still fall quickly, especially those who think they'll last forever. They become arrogant and make some huge mistake, usually a war of some kind.
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[darkestlycan]

My favorite era of time is the Dark ages! I often focus on art that relates to dark creatures like werewolves and demons. I find that it is funny how a creature such as a dragon can be imagined from all cultures at the same time without contact. there where dragons in China and England's history before they ever made contact. It makes you wonder just how real a Dragon or a Werewolf could be!
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[aleksander]

I also agree that USA acts like a bully. But there is one fact that we should consider. USA is the bigest power of the world. Its lsomething like Rome was in old times. Every supepower that has nobody to counter would act simmilar. USA time as only superpower wont last long. Next superpower to come is probably going to be China. And I can assure you its acting wont depence on public opion at all.

[Brownee]

Hitler could have invaded Britain quite easily if he had not got too big headed and fought too many countries at the one time. His troops became too thin at anyone point, so it became difficult to hold such a long line and keep advancing rapidly.

I was looking at Masaru Emoto's 'Miraculous Messages from Water' and noticed that when the words, 'Adolph Hitler' were typed on a piece of paper and pasted to a jam jar full of water, overnight the water crystals (when frozen) were dramatically different to other jars that had typed words, 'Heavy Metal Music', 'You make me sick, I will kill you', 'Thank You', 'Love and Aprreciation', 'Mother Teresa'.

Words have an incredible reaction on the water crystals, and Adolph Hitler is obviously not liked by the energy of the universe.

The best crystals are from the words, 'Love and Aprreciation'.

It is truly amazing that the water quality can be changed so easily just by the words on the jar - and that change can also be made by remote messages from hundreds of miles a way.

Wars could be stopped if enough people sent their remote messages of love out to dissolve the anger.

The world population has increased from 1 billion to 6 billion in the last 100 years, and from 2012 we can expect a speed up of sharing the positive energy of the world.

[abelincoln]

I'd say that World War II was the most "exciting" moment in history. Take a look at the History Channel. They just love it lol

[chaz]

I like the ancient ones. I guess lots of us like it. Movies based on ancient goes performs well in box office.
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